Ryan Horn has spent 20 years building strength programs, and almost none of that time has looked stable from the outside. Horn’s path runs through Robert Morris, Virginia Commonwealth (where he became the school’s first full-time strength coach), Tulsa, and seven years at Wake Forest under Danny Manning. After being let go from Wake Forest following COVID, Horn spent two years outside college athletics entirely, training soldiers with the 75th Ranger Regiment in Savannah, Georgia. From there it was Wichita State, Drake, a return home to West Virginia, and now Indiana.
Horn and host Connor Agnew dig into what that kind of instability actually teaches a coach. Horn’s answer keeps coming back to one idea: stop chasing permanence and start chasing presence. Roles end. Jobs change. What matters is whether you were fully in it while you had it. He connects this directly to mentorship, arguing that a good mentor’s job gets harder, not easier, because they take the time to teach instead of just execute. And he’s candid about the trap of comparing career timelines on social media, pointing out that the context and luck behind someone else’s fast rise almost never makes it into the post.
The conversation closes on family. Horn’s son is now an Olympic weightlifter who interns under him at Indiana, and Horn talks openly about what it’s meant to coach alongside his own kid, and about how losing both his parents in recent years reshaped how he thinks about time with the athletes and people in front of him right now.
KEY TAKEAWAYS
– Seek presence and impact in a role, not permanence. Every job has an expiration date, and treating it otherwise costs you the time you actually have in it.
– A real mentor’s job gets harder, not easier, because they take the time to teach instead of just execute.
– Comparing your career timeline to someone else’s on social media ignores the context and luck behind their path.
– Avoid becoming the coach who dismisses a new idea because “we did that 20 years ago.” Curiosity is the job, not a phase of it.
– Losing both parents reshaped how Horn thinks about finite time with his family and his athletes.
QUOTEย
“There’s no permanence in any role. It’s just presence.”
– Ryan Horn, Head Strength and Conditioning Coach, Indiana University
RYAN HORN:
This understanding at every role, you know, you’re seeking presence in that role. And you’re you know, you’re seeking influence in production, not permanence. there’s no permanence in any role. It’s just presence. You’re in it. you try to enjoy that role. I look back now and I was in a rush to get out of a lot of places, and that’s some of the best memories I have as a coach.
Connor:
What’s going on, Samson Strength Coach, Collective Listeners? today’s episode, we have head strength and conditioning coach for Indiana University men’s basketball, Ryan Horn. Ryan, thank you so much for coming on, man.
RYAN HORN:
My pleasure. Thanks for having me on. I appreciate it.
Connor:
Of course, dude. I’m stoked about it. And so I mentioned this to you to you briefly pre-show. but you know, in a in a world where a lot of strength coaches are coming up now following Instagram, you know, kind of posts and different reels and things like that. I remember the first big thing for strength and conditioning was Twitter, right? Back when it was Twitter and you were one of the I think you might have been the first person I ever followed on Twitter related to strength and conditioning, and just seeing your tweets all the time. And so this is a very cool moment for me because I remember thinking this guy’s a really high level coach, right?
And now I get to interview you and spend forty five minutes with you. So that’s exciting for me.
RYAN HORN:
We might be dating ourselves ’cause now it’s not called Twitter anymore. So I so so so now it’s X. So like we’re we might be dating our our careers a little bit, but no, I I appreciate that. That was a long time ago. I think it was like two thousand twelve or somewhere in there that we started that. So
Connor:
I know, I know. It’s eggs, but
Yeah, yeah. But I remember you’re
putting out some super high quality content. and I would share those tweets a lot of times. But you’re correct. I mean, even with the tweets and different stuff like that, we’re definitely dating ourselves. But it’ll always I can’t adjust it. It’ll always be Twitter for me. Yeah, for sure. Exactly. So all right. Well, without further ado, can you just take us through your career? I know you’ve had a lot of stops along the way, which is exciting to hear about, and then what’s led you to Indiana?
RYAN HORN:
I still call it that. I always call it.
Yeah, so I have had a lot of stops, you know, i in this career. sometimes you make choices, sometimes the choices are made for you. So, you know, like you said, we got a forty five minute to a sixty minute podcast here. So I don’t have enough time to to talk about every spot that I’ve been and and what it’s been. but yeah, we do have a a plethora of experiences. You know, I started off at Robert Morris University. It was the only internship offer I had at the time and I’m very grateful for it ’cause it worked out.
really, really well. I got to work with Todd Hammer there. after that, it led me to Virginia Commonwealth University where I was a graduate assistant under Tim Kontos. that progressed into a full-time position. I was the first full-time train conditioning coach at Virginia Commonwealth University. from there, I went to the University of Tulsa to work men’s basketball, football, and other Olympic sports under Rourke Kutchlow. and then I later worked for Adam Davis. I left there and went to Wake Forest University.
with Danny Manning and spent a good chunk of my time, seven years or almost seven and a half years at Wake Forest and and had a chance to build that program up and very proud of what we did there. had a career change after that, after COVID. we were let go at the University or at Wake Forest University. So I actually left and went to tactical. I worked in special operations for two years in Savannah, Georgia, working for the first battalion, seventy fifth ranger regiment. So I did that for two or for two years.
had the itch to get back into college, left Savannah, went to Wichita State University. And so went to Wichita State for a year, had a coaching change, had AD change, and then I was relieved of my duties again. And then I went to Drake University, where I hooked up with Coach DeVries, who is my current head coach now and worked at Drake.
under Coach of Rees and under Ben McCullum. I had a chance to go to West Virginia University, which is where I’m from and where my wife is from. So we went there. We’re there for a year. with success comes change. And then now we’re at in the inner university, which I’m extremely grateful for. So I’ve been around, I’ve done different things. I’ve trained a lot of different teams. I haven’t specialized my whole career. So I’m very thankful for all of those stops, all the adversity, all the success, ’cause it’s led me to where I am now. and I wouldn’t be the coach or the man I am today without it.
Connor:
Absolutely. And I it’s such a succinct breakdown for such an extensive career, which I I’m sure you’ve had to give it multiple times, so you’ve got it down pat at this point. Yeah. For sure, for sure. Absolutely. you know, I think it is a cool moment, right? Obviously, knowing that you’re from West Virginia and then being able to go back to West Virginia University. I didn’t know your wife was from West Virginia as well, too. What was that experience like being able to go back to W VU and be back in West Virginia?
RYAN HORN:
Yeah. Yeah. Yeah, we try to package that and keep it as quick as possible. So it’s definitely not the first time I’ve had to explain that, so for sure.
Yeah. Yes.
Yeah, you know, it it’s a special thing ’cause you you know, my wife and my children, you know, I’ve always been a coach, a father, and a husband my whole career. so when I started as a as an intern, our son was just born, I had just gotten married. so my wife and my son and and my daughter have been everywhere with me and and and kind of went along for the ride. So I’m really grateful that. But over the course of this twenty years
You go to a lot different places and you never really get a chance sometimes to do something for someone. and that was something for us that was really important because we started dating in eighth grade. So we’ve been together since we were eighth grade. you know, so it’s been a long time now. And and to be able to have that opportunity, even if it was a short time, just to have the opportunity to get her that much closer, get us closer to home, and to just be there for that short snapshot.
was huge. I mean, it was something that I I’m really, you know, glad that we had to experience and we got a chance to do it. so that’s not a lot of times you get a chance to go back home. so it was a special it’s a special thing for sure. but then like I said, we go to Un India Indiana now and we’re closer to my son who’s in college. So like there’s always positives to everything. and I think it’s just a part of that journey.
Connor:
Yeah, absolutely. And I think it’s a testament to why you’ve been able to spend twenty years in this career, right? Is finding the positive see situation. You know, there’s a lot of change, like you mentioned. There’s a lot of different changes. Sometimes, like you said, voluntarily, sometimes not voluntarily. How do you handle those changes? How do you stay persistent in your commitment to your craft? Like can you just walk me through what it’s like to experience those changes a little bit?
RYAN HORN:
Yeah, I mean we we evolve and I think in this field as dynamic as our profession is from a training, a coaching, your craft in general. That’s why we all love it because it’s constantly evolving, it’s changing every day. you know, fortunately and unfortunately at times, your professional and your personal career can reflect that. so there is a lot of change, there is a lot of
opportunities to open certain doors to take certain jobs or not to take other jobs. You know, when I left college, it was like you’re never gonna be able to get back into college. You know, I went to a field where I didn’t have a lot of experience and kind of started over again and then I had to leave and go back to college. So you’re you’re trying to figure those things out. I I just I’ve always kind of had a a really unorthodox path. You know, when I went to Virginia Commonwealth University, I worked
And I loved it. I worked field hockey. I worked, you know, golf and soccer. And I worked all these Olympic sports. I just wanted to coach. I didn’t care if I worked with football or if I worked with basketball. I didn’t even know what I wanted to do after that first five years. And even every opportunity that’s popped up, I’ve just tried to keep an open mind and open heart and say, Hey, there’s no telling where this can lead. but this is what my gut’s saying, this is what my heart’s saying, and sometimes that’s worked out, and sometimes it it hasn’t. So I think you have to approach
This understanding at every role, you know, you’re seeking presence in that role. And you’re you know, you’re seeking influence in production, not permanence. there’s no permanence in any role. It’s just presence. You’re in it. you try to enjoy that role. I look back now and I was in a rush to get out of a lot of places, and that’s some of the best memories I have as a coach.
And it’s crazy because I was trying to, you know, knock these things down and hint these benchmarks and and elevate throughout my career. And I look back now and you know the assistance I had at Wake Forest and the time and the relationships I spent with them all the way. And if you notice when I gave my background, I mentioned every one of my mentors over that time because without them, I’m not in this field and I’m not not in this profession because they had the persistence and the patience and the level of care to develop and give me a chance. those are all really important to me.
So I think you really just have to look at that role it like that and know that like you’re not always gonna make the right decision. sometimes you’re gonna make a mistake, but it can lead to bigger and greater things. I don’t think a lot of people really look back and you’re proud of your success, but I think a lot more people attach to that adversity and what you had to overcome to get to the point that you are now because that’s what allows you to really express that gratitude.
to love your process, your journey. And I think that’s highly individual, but it’s highly important for every coach to take time to reflect.
Connor:
Did you struggle with the idea of permanence when you first started out versus now in your career? Has that kind of been an evolution of how you viewed your position?
RYAN HORN:
Yeah, if you would ask me 10 years ago, I’d be like, well, no, I’m gonna do this and I’m gonna I’m gonna program like this. I’m gonna coach like that. I’m gonna get to this job in this location. I’m gonna promote myself this way. I’m gonna post content this way. we got these things figured out. you know, I used to tell myself, you I used to say, Hey, you’re not a real coach until you get fired. And I always used to joke and say, Well, I never want to be a real coach then. and then you go your whole career, and then now it just flips. And I think the first time.
Because you fear it your whole entire career. And I hope people don’t have to experience it. I’m not saying I hope you get let go or I hope you get fired. I I hope people are able to be in the positions that they want to be in and have them be a reflective of where they want their life and how they want to shape their career around it. but for me, it was like I was just scared and fearful of that moment because that is a tough conversation to have. It’s a tough conversation to have with your family. because when they get fired, they get fired. When I get fired, they get fired.
Connor:
Mm-hmm.
RYAN HORN:
They’re
fired from their lives, their schools, their friends, places that they lived and they’ve developed roots and friendships and connections. and now you have to rip that out and you step into a new role. And a lot of times it’s easier for us coaches because our support system is built into our job. for them, they have to start completely over. So that I that idea of permanence, you start to realize wins and losses, success and failure. You start to realize what impacts that.
And how important just enjoying the day to day is. Like the day to day is what makes the job great. We play 30 plus games, 40 games, let’s say in the season. If you only look forward to that and look forward to those wins, that’s a lot of time to be unhappy. Or it’s a lot of time to not have a lot of joy and enjoy those training sessions and the things you have to do. so if anything, it’s taught me to like open up that aperture and like look at the day to day and like what I really find joyful because the fact that I’m still in this.
Connor:
Mm-hmm.
RYAN HORN:
and I still enjoy it and I still sign up for it every single day. Like I love these kids, I love the idea, I love the process, and even though it’s changed so much with NIL and the transfer portal and everything that’s going on, like I just have no animosity towards it because I just get a chance to do what I love every day. My son wants to be a coach and he’s interning for me right now and he’s been through it all. So like he’s seen it like up close and personal. So one day when he’s available to get hired, you know, hired, I’d hire him.
Cause at least you know he’s in it for the right reasons. but it’s just been such a cool thing. It’s been such a great process. And it’s not always been awesome. I’ve questioned myself a lot whether or not I’m in the right place at the right time. And sometimes I was in the wrong place at the at the wrong time. and it shakes out like that. But overall, like that’s the way I view it. Everything has an expiration date. Let’s maximize the time we have. If things have to change, they have to change, and hopefully you made an impact.
on the people that you serve and support. And then you can move on with your ch head up high and your your chin held high and and know that you made a difference. And that’s all you’re really trying to do. but unfortunately, once you’ve had it a a handful of times, you just realize it’s just time to pivot. You move and you keep moving and you keep moving forward.
Connor:
Yeah, I I really like what you said earlier too about, you know, kind of these positions that you have earlier on in your career where you feel like, okay, I have to move on from this. I have to immediately move on to the next steps to kind of continue to further my career. I think back to my time at Tennessee when I was a part-time assistant, right? Like I remember thinking, okay, I can’t wait till I get my first full-time job. But then like you said, the memories I have while I was there are so precious to me because that was the most time I was on the floor. That was the most time I got to spend coaching athletes. I didn’t have to worry about budgets. I didn’t have to worry about
RYAN HORN:
Thank you.
Mm-hmm.
Yeah.
Connor:
you know, scheduling or different things like that. It was like, hey, just show up, coach, bring some energy and have some fun. And like those times are so precious.
RYAN HORN:
Yeah.
Yeah, ’cause at that point everything else was just an idea. You know, it was like you’ve never done it before, you know, when I was at Virginia Commonwealth University, it it it’s crazy ’cause I always thought, you know, I could be a director. Like I’m ready. Like I’m coaching, having a good time. I had a great boss. Coach Kontos was awesome, great mentor, handled everything. He actually had some unfortunate
Connor:
Yeah.
RYAN HORN:
medical situations at the time. And he’s like, hey, you’re gonna have to run the show. And I remember stepping into that chair and after a couple of weeks, I was like, I always want to go back to coaching. Like I I don’t want anything to do with being on carpet and being in these meetings right now. I just like being the guy that’s coaching and challenging myself and my athletes and training. And you know, maybe I’m not ready for this yet, but you don’t know, you know, excuse me, you don’t know until you know. but I think like being on the floor and getting those reps and and getting those experiences, working with all those different teams and personalities and
Connor:
Yeah.
RYAN HORN:
position groups and then also with football, you got a big staff. You got a lot of people to lean on to pressure to to really develop and grow. And these ideas are flowing. You got a little bit of animosity. You got fatigue. You got emotion. You got all those different things. It’s a beautiful energy that I think everybody kind of like gravitates towards. And it’s a very impactful time, you know, and and I think the hardest jobs I’ve ever had or the hardest moments that really pushed me to my limit. I look back on it now and I’m like,
Those are still impacting me to this day. They’ve changed my process, my operations, like how do I set things up? how do I write a program? How do I set up a program? How do I interact with athletes? Like those are the things that really continue to impact. So it’s it’s funny the things that push you to the brink that continue to also pull you along as you go. it’s a weird dichotomy between those two things.
Connor:
Yeah, it’s the ra is the razor’s edge. Yeah. And so I don’t want to speak for you, but you know, it seems like what you’re saying is, you know, a lot of the joy of strength and conditioning comes from being present. Is that correct?
RYAN HORN:
A hundred percent.
Yeah, I mean I used to, you know, I don’t know where I read it or where I saw it. I mean, we’re all kind of stealing from each other at this point and we’re just kind of recalling things as they go. But there’s this concept, I have in just in full transparency, like I have a I have a you know, I have a striver’s mindset. Like I always want to do the next thing. I’m always looking for the thing that doesn’t fit. I’m always looking for the the problem that needs a solution, and it’s always on to the next thing.
Okay, we accomplished this. This block’s done. Let’s move on to the next block. What are we doing in the next block, right? so there’s this concept of being where your feet are and not just saying, like, okay, I’m in this workout, I’m in this moment, but like truly immersing yourself like in the moment, like truly immersing yourself in that connection, in that relationship, in that training session, both with giving it everything that I have, and I’m not saying I’m cold and I’m dull and I’m emotionless.
That’s the actually the complete opposite of that. But I leave things at the door. Like I give them the best that I have every day. and I don’t want them to know what’s going on in my life unless I need to say it. But I want to give them the most consistent, stable force that I can give them to provide them with the best opportunity to be successful. But like being where my feet are is highly important. I used to video a lot of stuff in the weight room back in the day.
you and this was back when Instagram just started and people were like st stories had just came out. And I remember Jason Martinez and AJ Kerr and a couple other of our assistants at the time when I was at Wake Forest were like, why don’t we just put training on our stories and then we just video it set to set and it’s not like this reel or it’s not like this video, it’s just like, hey, you’re actually here. And I remember like videoing it and it’s great because it built a following and it built influence and and content and all those things, but then I
I started to think to myself, this is just me. I’m not saying anything negative about anybody else. Like I never got into this to watch a training session through a phone. So like I would video and I would show it and the guys were coaching and we had a big staff. And that’s just me. Like I never that’s not why I got into this. Like I got into it because I love coaching. I love being at the racks. I love being in between those conversations in between the reps, the music, the like everything that’s going on. So I think that presence piece of me is not only important in training.
And in coaching, it’s been highly important in my life. but with with all the change, with all the uncertainty and different jobs and different locations, you have to be presence with your family. You have to be a present father and a husband because there is a lot of change. And the one consistent we’ve had from place to place, from job to job is our family and each other. We’ve always had each other, no matter where we’ve gone. so that’s brought us really close. And I think that transcends into our job as coaches as well. Like
Just don’t look past the role that you have because it’s the most important role you’ll ever have because it’s the one you have right now.
Connor:
And so we have a lot of young listeners. What would you say to a listener? What would you advise would you give them if they’re struggling with that? If they’re trying to look past the role, if they’re leaning more into that striver’s mindset instead of trying to be more present?
RYAN HORN:
Yeah, it just comes down. There’s there’s a book by Brad Stahlberg. It’s a book about groundedness. And and and there’s a thing in the title that I think is important. And they say this about Buddhism and about other things. it’s a practice. It’s a practice of groundedness. It’s a practice of presence. It’s not a state of, which means you have to work on it, which means you have to be intentional, you have to be direct, you have to be very, very logical and progressive with how you’re going.
To go about being more present, being more grounded. So as a young coach, and I always tell coaches, don’t even call yourself young. Like I always love when I’m at a conference and I’m at CSCCA and you’re trying to talk and connect with as many people as possible. And a coach walks up and they say, Hey, I’m just a young strength conditioning coach from a small school or from this school, where I just work with these teams. You are just nothing. No one is just anything. Like you are a coach, your perspective is unique.
we win in our strengths, not in our weaknesses as coaches. So I think it’s easy as a coach because we’re always trying to improve. You’re always trying to bring up your athletes’ weaknesses, but you never want to take away a weakness trying to develop or take away a strength trying to develop a weakness, right? So, like what’s your strength? If you’re really good on the floor and you can coach, and you’re, you know, you’re a tactician, you’re a technician, that’s what you do well, that’s probably what’s gonna get you your next job.
Because that’s what people are gonna remember. Like continue to leverage it, still bring up the things that you need to bring up. But as you get exposed to more things, but I think a lot of coaches are, and I think social media has as great as it is, it’s contributed to that because you get to see all these other coaches. They’re in such and such school. they’re posting these exercises. I don’t have those pieces of equipment, I don’t have that technology, my staff’s not that big, my budget’s not that big. Should I be there already?
They’re about my age. So now you can see it. Back when I first started out, the only way I can go see someone in Alabama is if I jumped in my car or I flew there and I went and saw them. There’s no you weren’t gonna see their Instagram reels and their posts and their Snapchats or whatever else we’re using nowadays. Like you weren’t gonna see that. So that access I think has has created a lot of FOMO, you know, and a lot of missing out. Am I missing out on something? Why am I not progressing like others are progressing? but I think like that’s a lot of pressure.
a lot of times to try to promote and push yourself faster than maybe you need to. sometimes you need to stay in that role for a little bit longer to develop. Sometimes you need to take a risk and make the jump and just go figure it out because that opportunity is available. but that’s why I believe mentors are so important as well. as a as a coach just starting off in the field, let’s say you have less than five years experience.
you know, it’s like in James Bond, like age is no guarantee of experience and youth is no guarantee of innovation, right? So it’s like you have a coach that has five or less years experience. Hopefully they have a mentor that can say, This job makes sense because it leads to A, B, C, and D. It makes sense for what you want to do and who you want to be and how you want to do it. hopefully they have that. And if they don’t, hopefully they can reach out and feel comfortable to reach out to individuals that’s been on your show, or maybe they follow them on social media.
that can give them that insight that they need to make the appropriate decisions, not to tell them what to do, but to give them actionable intelligence to help them try to figure out the pros and cons and if those things are gonna fit.
Connor:
Yeah, I think your your first point too, you know, especially with the social media piece. I remember my first job after a part time assistant at Tennessee was working women’s basketball at Texas Tech, right? And I had a lot of strength coaches who later on in my career, once I got to know them, were like, How did you do that? Like you must be this elite strength coach or something, like literally saying stuff like that. And was like, You have no clue the context of what happened. Like I got the job because it was COVID.
RYAN HORN:
Yeah.
Yeah.
Connor:
Another strength coach was actually hired for that position, who was much more qualified at the time, right? based off of what the traditional strength conditioning timeline might be. That coach got delayed because of the COVID hiring freeze, went out to another location. And then it was like literally, I think they went through three other candidates, and then finally they called my mentor and asked him if he wanted the job. And it got down to a point where, like, we we got girls coming back on campus next week. We need somebody out there, right? And so a lot of people who I didn’t know at the time.
RYAN HORN:
Yeah.
Yeah.
Connor:
you know, like you said, they’re they play the comparison game and they see, okay, well, this guy, you know, is a younger strength coach who immediately got a a head coaching job in the Big Twelve, right? Like obviously I need to be doing the exact same thing. And it’s like, no, ninety-nine percent of that was luck of how I got there and just right time and right place and things fell together. And so I think without context, which is to me the biggest error of social media, is that there is no context with really anything that people do. It’s just they post it and then with no context you can kind of
Like you say you say experience that FOMO or those feelings that you’re not good enough for what you’re currently seeing or what you’re currently doing.
RYAN HORN:
Yeah.
You know, and I and I like I said, I’m forty, you know, I’m forty two years old and and and there’s times I show up and and there’s times I show up to a lift or a practice or a situation and I have imposter syndrome at times. And I’ve been doing this for a long time, twenty years, you know, and you know, and I think that’s something that’s so cool and special about our profession. But you said it. Like I’ve had people that have worked at jobs that were D two, D three that had made a good
Connor:
Yeah.
RYAN HORN:
you know, impression on an assistant within a matter of time they visited us, then they leave and they’re a head strength coach in the Big Twelve working with basketball or football or whatever it may be. Like, you know, a lot of times we say it’s luck. a lot of times we say it’s like, you know, it just fell into place. But I I believe everyone’s in a place for a reason. Like I I really believe that
you know, our choices create our circumstances. And I think sometimes people are willing to take that risk and they’re willing to take that job. And everybody else is like, that’s less money than I thought it would be. or that’s more teams than I thought it would be. but you’re looking beyond that. You’re looking at what head coaches are you working for? what are the assistants, you know, staff looks like, what is their career trajectory? Because that may change what that job looks like. Cause now you step into it and one or two or three years later
you know, they’re looking at point C, but they couldn’t appreciate the level of forethought that went into point A to like to take a step back, to take a salary cut or whatever it may be, to take a different role at a different place with a different logo, to put yourself in a position to be able to perform and and give yourself a chance at at taking that next step. So I mean it’s it’s it’s it’s human nature. It’s human nature to compare. It’s human nature to compete.
that’s what drives us, you know. I’m not gonna even stand here. We could, you know, I’m sure every time I could do one of these, we get asked asked about work-life balance, right? you know, how do you do it? You know, how do you work less? How do you work more? And now I found some balance in that, you know, and I went to tactical, you know, for two years. Like we worked, you know, seven AM to three, you know, two PM every day.
Like every schedule. I got every weekend off. I knew exactly my schedule would be. It took like it took me like six months to like figure out how to do that because I just felt so uneasy and unnatural. My wife’s like, Ryan, this is what’s a normal job is like. And I and I and I just couldn’t like figure it out. I’m like, Yeah, you’re right, but like I just can’t like I can’t settle into it. Right. but like I always tell people, it’s like I can’t sit here and lie to you to say like
Connor:
Yeah.
RYAN HORN:
You know, I didn’t work an exordinate amount of time. You know, I I did a present, you know, a presentation not too long ago about, you know, my journey and you know how I went through it and with my family and everything else. It’s one of the most important presentations I ever gave because it’s about my life and it’s about my family and the things I love most. And one of the comments, you know, from my daughter and and from my son, I had them do quotes and they put it in my I put it in my presentation and w both of them mentioned, you know, your job is awesome, but it also meant
you know, when you were younger, there’s a long time and a lot of time that you were out of the house and you were away for home. And, you know, as you’ve gotten, you older in the profession, you’ve been able to spend more time with us. Nothing’s really changed. I’ve just been more intentional about trying to spend more time with them. But I don’t know if I’m in the position I am now if I didn’t do that before. And I think it was clear
Wyman Flat told me he’s like, Yeah, you were able to do what 99% of the people wouldn’t do, and that put you there. So it’s like easy to look back now and say, hey, just be balanced. But you know, sometimes it takes what it takes. And, you know, and our profession can be unforgiving when it comes to that. It can really be a war of attrition and it can test you. I’m not saying that’s right, but that’s the reality of the situation. So, like, you know, it’s just one of those things, like, you know, Buddy Morris always says, it’s like,
You know, when you limit yourself, you limit your athletes and those you serve and support. And I and I think that comes down to your professionally as well.
Connor:
Yeah, it it’s similar to the advice I give a lot of I have a lot of GAs reach out and ask me questions about, you know, kind of like the work life balance aspect, like you say, right. but what I kinda tell them is like, hey, this may not be the advice that everybody would like to hear, right? But I do think when you’re doing your GA, when you’re first starting out, like you have to be aggressive with it. You have to, like you’re saying, you know, spend all this time at work and honing your craft and doing the things that’ll help you get better. you know, and and it lays the foundation for what you can do later on in your career. But
RYAN HORN:
Yeah.
Connor:
ultimately that’s what helps to set you up for success. And so there is a little bit of an uncomfortability piece at first, but putting that groundwork in is what’s going to be really important and not limiting yourself early on.
RYAN HORN:
Yeah, and I I think it it it’s not so much balance as as it is like harmony, right? So you’re gonna have the things you love and you appreciate and the things you value. And a lot of times we’re trying to shape our career around the life that we wanna live. And and I think what happens is it it it’s in seasons, you know. We have seasons in our job. you have seasons where it once again that P word, it comes down to presence again. just because you have more time with someone
Doesn’t mean that’s gonna be as impactful or it’s gonna be quality time. You know, it you know, you could have an hour where you’re fully intentional and you’re making memories and you’re really loving each other and leaning into each other. That’s a lot different than us sitting on a couch watching TV for five hours, your kids on their iPad, you’re eating snacks and you’re there. Yeah, you spent five hours together and you’re home, but are you really present like in the moment? Sometimes like having less time, you appreciate the time that you have. And I think as I’ve gotten older and I’ve
lost my parents and my mom and my dad, you know, in the last few years have both passed away. It it gives you a level of you know mortality and and you’d realize that time is not infinite, that our time and our resources and and the connections and the relationships that we have, everything is finite. and to appreciate that and to be a part of that and seeing my kids get older now. You know, my son’s gonna be 20s and be graduating college pretty soon. When I started this, you know, he was a little baby.
you know, my daughter’s starting to drive her car now and she’s getting her so they’re going through these stages of life and as they enter a new stage, I realize that I’m entering a new stage as well. so it it’s just a really cool process. Scary sometimes. it’s it’s scary how fast it’s gone. but man, it’s just so cool and I’m just so grateful for it, you know. But but yeah, you’re right.
Connor:
Yeah. So correct me if I’m wrong. you were saying that your son is interested in straight the conditioning.
RYAN HORN:
Yeah, he is. You know, he’s he’s been around it. I mean, he’s an Olympic weightlifter. he competes at he goes to Lindawood University in Missouri. So he’s on a weightlifting team there. And you know, when he comes back for the summer, he trains with a great group over at one kilo with Will Fleming and and the crew there and have a really elite weightlifting team. So he gets a chance to go train with them every day. He gets a chance to come in here and work with us. And he’s been doing that for a long time now in the summer, ever since he was in high school.
he just wanted to be in the weight room and he wanted to be around it. So it’s it’s really cool to see him like step into his own and and and and I talk about this all the time. It’s it seems so simple, but like we we demoed like the first week he was demoing exercises because he’s way better at lifting than me now, especially. He’s better than I ever was. but like he’s the demo guy. Like I can’t get into certain positions anymore and he can do it.
and and he enjoys it. But it was the coolest thing. And, you know, you know, eyes on coach. You know, coach is gonna demo this. And, you know, and to be able to call your son a coach and have him work with you, like that is man, that was so cool. Like it was so so awesome, like in that moment to just take a pause and in and really appreciate it. even when we get done with training sessions and we come in here and we talk about the group and we’re at home and we’re
Connor:
Uh-huh.
RYAN HORN:
you know, talking about such and such in the lift from today. And I’m like, okay, let’s turn it off now. But like he wants to talk about it now too. So it’s like it it’s just such a cool thing, man. I think it’s so important for his maturation process and just see the professional and the man he’s grown into. Like, you know, some people would say, Do you you want him to follow in your footsteps after everything that you’ve been through? And I and I go back to my dad. You know, when I told my dad I wanted to be a strength coach, I was in ninth or tenth grade at the time. And we had no idea what a strength coach was. I just know I went to a football camp.
And there’s a guy in the weight room that said, This is what I do for a living. I told my dad, I walked out of that camp, I walked to you sitting on his pickup truck reading his newspaper. and I said, Dad, I want to be a strength coach when I grow up. And he’s What is that? He’s like, I was like, I don’t know, but that guy in there is doing it. He’s Well, we’ll figure it out then. You know, and I and I think there was a time when I got done playing football, and I’m really, you know, grateful for my dad. you know, I wanted to drop out of school, I was injured, I couldn’t play football anymore.
I was at a real crossroads in my life. And I remember I wanted to go work in an assembly factory. And I said, Dad, I need to make money. I I I don’t want to be in school anymore. I don’t want to do any of this stuff. I just want to go work in a factory. And, you know, and like my dad said, there’s nothing wrong with what I do, but I’ve worked in an assembly plant for General Motors my entire life. and to hopefully give you an opportunity to do something else, go try to do what it is that brings you passion and your purpose. Go do that. And if it doesn’t work out, I’ll get you a job.
I promise you I’ll I’ll I’ll get an application in, I’ll talk to my foreman, we’ll get you a job and you can come work on the assembly line, you’ll have your rest of your life to do that. But just promise me we’ll make a deal right now that you’ll just give it a chance. And if it wasn’t for him and it wasn’t for my wife continuing to push me and support me to give me that support, there’s no way I’m sitting here right now. Like I don’t know what I would be doing right now because it my life would have looked a lot different. Not saying that it wouldn’t have been as enjoyable or productive or anything else.
but I’m glad I had those people in my life that never let me stop betting on myself, to never let myself, you know, sell myself short. and to really put myself out there. It was nice to have people that you didn’t have to burn the boats because they burnt the boats for you.
Connor:
Yeah, i i because you mentioned earlier in the podcast, right, that the most important pieces is mentorships, right? Or mentors that you have. And so I’ve gotta imagine I don’t have any kids, but you know, I know just my relationship with my dad, right? my mom, like ultimately parenthood’s got to be like the pinnacle of mentorship, right?
RYAN HORN:
A hundred percent.
I mean that’s I mean that’s that’s the job, man. Like that’s the that’s the best, you know, the best job in the world. And and you know, when I you know, when my son was born, my wife and I, I mean, we were still figuring life out. You know, we were young and you know, and I th and I look back at it and I I’m just so so grateful, you know, for it that we didn’t know what was going on. And and we were trying to figure ourselves out and we were trying to figure each other out and and but I had a wife that stepped up, you know. I I was able to go do an internship. I literally got back from my honeymoon on
Connor:
Yeah.
RYAN HORN:
May 27th or whatever it was. Got back. We did a reception back home so our family could come. This was like on a Friday or Saturday. I jumped in my car because I was supposed to intern an hour away at George Mason University with Todd Hammer. Todd decided to switch jobs selfishly and go back home to Pittsburgh. And he’s like, Yeah, you can still intern, but it’s in Pittsburgh now. So now I’m like expecting to drive an hour and commute. Now I gotta drive four hours. I get an apartment. I’m staying there, driving back on the weekend. We had just got married.
Like just finished our honeymoon, the whole deal. So it just even going into it. She stepped up, she worked, you know. And when I was a GA, she she helped take care of things. And then we got out of there and it, you know, I wasn’t making any money for a long time. and she was in banking and, you know, and she was the one. She’s the one that drove it that made sure that things kept happening. to have people in your life and even your children that give you the power and the autonomy and the confidence, to never make you feel like they resent you.
for what you do, that’s an extremely powerful thing, right? But that’s mentorship because like, you know, that’s coaching. Like you’re you’re you’re coaching in life. You don’t have all the answers, but just like programming, you have these certain problems and you’re trying to find solutions. You come up with solution. And then at the end of it, you’re looking at it and saying, okay, let’s see how this is going to work out. And you have to be adaptable and fluid, just like program design, just like training an athlete, you know, life is life and it happens. But I mean it it it’s the job that that never stops, but it’s the most important job.
that we can ever have is to be a son, to be a daughter, but also to be a father, or a mother or or something to another person. I mean, there’s there’s not anything more special than that as far as I’m concerned.
Connor:
Yeah, it’s just I as I hear you speak, I kinda think about parallels with other coaches I know who’ve been in it for twenty plus years, right? And a lot of them are coaches that have mentored me and I I really look up to, but what I’ve noticed the common thread is that a lot of them really do have very strong families. you know, obviously some things happen in life where it may not be the perfect fit, or you know, some coaches have experienced divorce and different things along those lines. But ultimately a lot of the ones that I have met with and understood, okay, I really want to be like this coach.
They have the strong family life as well too, because it’s the family who can be the foundation for the best type of career.
RYAN HORN:
Yeah, and I and I think those are the it’s just like it’s just like training, it’s just like anything else. Like we all need those foundational qualities. and I think being a spouse, you know, and being, you know, a father, you know, those are foundational type experiences. and they kind of mold, you know, who you are, you know. And I always say, like when my daughter was born, she turned me into like a velvet brick. you know, she she softened me up a little bit and
and gave me a little bit different perspective and you know, and and helped me learn and and tap into some other things from an emotional stellar intelligence standpoint. And I’ve always trained, you know, a diverse group of athletes. I haven’t always just been a basketball or men’s basketball strength coach. I’ve worked with a lot of Olympic sports and I think that that experience as a father and and experience as a coach, they simultaneously have allowed me to do both things better.
you know, and I even think of it now, like, you know, I’m an old head, I’m getting too official, like unk status, the guys call me and you know, but I still gotta know the playlists and I gotta know the, you know, you know, all the songs and the goyard bags and everything else to make sure the music’s what it needs to be. And, you know, and they’re keeping me young because they’re keeping me involved. but I also think it’s highly important too. you’ve talked about these up and coming strength coaches. I’m also really careful, and I experienced this when I was, you know, first starting out in the field, like
I never wanted to be that crusty, resentful, like just jaded coach that that pushed people away from the profession. I wanted to be the honest coach to tell you, like, this is my experience. And and and what you do is gonna be what you do. but I mean, I love what we do. I really do. I love our field, I love our profession. is it perfect? Absolutely not. is it hard at times? Absolutely. is it always fair?
are we always paid requisite with our experience and the amount of time we put into it? No. but for me it’s been something why I retire as a strength coach. I don’t know. Do I know a lot of strength coaches that retired as strength coaches? No. you know, maybe we’ll figure that out and then it’ll look like something different. But people ask me, like, how long you want to coach? I’m like, today and I’m gonna coach tomorrow and I’m just gonna keep trying to stack those days. And but I think it’s very careful, you know, when you’re talking about this field and you’re a mentor, like.
Being a mentor and strength conditioning, and I’ve said this, you know, ever since I’ve been a mentor and I’ve had great mentors, when I look back at it, I made their jobs harder, not easier. So, like when they wrote a program and they’re here and they’re like, all right, here’s a program for day, they have to educate and do it twice. They got to teach you how to set up and they have to set up. They have to explain to you why you’re doing what you’re doing. They have to be there to help you with your own programs. It made it should make your job harder, and I made their job harder.
And I think that’s a great mentor because they’re willing to do that. They’re patient enough. They’re persistent. They’re kind. They care about you. they’ll not only develop you while you’re there under their tutelage, they’ll continue to to mold and develop you. And those are some of the closest relationships are I’ve had or are people that we’ve mentored together. But I know a lot of mentees that I’ve had that I’ve supposedly been their mentor. Man, they taught me a lot because I led them. I led them. I opened up to them, you know. And
Connor:
Hmm.
RYAN HORN:
I had a lot of guys at Wig Jason Martinez and you know AJ Kerr. you know, I’ve had I’ve had a lot of guys that I’ve worked with, you know, Colin Corker and and and and Logan Barrett and and you know and Kylie Durkee here at Indiana. And I’ve had so many people that I’ve worked with and I’ve met, they just had so much influence on me, you know, Chris Kind Clendendon. I’ve asked I mean I can’t name all of them, Connor Warwick. I mean, all the way down the line. I could go on. I’ve worked with so many people.
and and and the look back now, I couldn’t even tell you what’s mine and what’s theirs. Like I can’t tell you when I wrote a program, I I at times I feel like a conductor that’s just like kind of going through the notes and placing things and putting things in place and just someone else’s music sheet and scorecard. And I’m just trying to figure out systematically how those things go. But I’m just so grateful for those experiences. And I would even be honest in full transparency, I’m by myself on an island right now and I, you know, I have the
the the gift of training 15 student athletes, 17 student athletes every day. And basketball is my sole and primary focus. Man, I miss just being around staff sometimes. And just coming in the office and like, you know, and training together. And, you know, I can’t do what I once, you know, it’s like Toby Keith, you I’m not as good as I once was. But like, you know, just being in that moment together and having those conversations and they’re keeping me young and and they’re, they’re, they’re really excited about things. And that’s another thing too, that us old guys, these
Connor:
Yeah. Yeah.
RYAN HORN:
you know, us that are OGs and on ULK status, the one thing we do is we tend to say, Why already I I did that twenty years ago. That’s not special. Like never take away someone else’s excitement. Yeah, it may be old or you know, you know, people say, show me what it’s, you know, show me show me the exercise and I’ll tell you what it used to be called type thing, you know, and it’s like I I don’t want to take away anybody’s light and their fire and and their ability to teach something because they’re excited about it.
Because I had mentors that stoked that fire and they didn’t extinguish it. So I I think I owe that to other people’s to do the same thing.
Connor:
think what you’re saying about, you know, kind of like you mentioned with the analogy, the crusty old strength coach, right? Versus a str mentor that will make your job harder but ultimately you know ultimately help you become more successful as a coach. I think that relates back to what you’re saying about your willingness to be open to them as well too and understand that you can learn from you know the people that you were technically mentoring. because at the end of the day like I I’ve felt myself get pulled and the crusty old
RYAN HORN:
Yeah.
Connor:
strength coach direction before. Like I’ve felt in certain areas, like I feel like I’ve made choices that feel like small in that moment. But if I keep going to this path, I’ll end up being the coach that I never wanted to be one day. Right. Versus if I choose another direction or if I want to go in a different path. And you know, it’s all about small choices stacking upon each other. So I really like how you put it, right? Where it’s okay, I’m now open to understanding and learning from who I’m mentoring as well too, because
Like you said, you know, if you could if you just try to tell somebody, hey, you we did this 20 years ago, it’s nothing new, right? That’s where we start going in the crusty old strength coach direction versus, you know, hey, you know, we actually did this in the past too. You know, here’s a possible suggestion for how we could work it in, or let me show you, you know, is there anything new that you’ve implemented with it that can help me learn or different things like that? It’s definitely another razor’s edge that you have to walk.
RYAN HORN:
Yeah, mean we our field, and I and I I I’m so passionate about like this piece of our field, our entire field is built on curiosity, passion, purpose, and the quest for learning. Like that’s our field. Like if you’re not curious and you’re not creative, if you’re not willing to put yourself under a bar, it it’s the optimal of like research.
We apply it, we test it ourselves, we test it on our athletes. a lot of times research and science can’t keep up with what we’re doing. I learned that when I had a chance to spend time with, you know, Louis Simmons and and guys like that a long time ago, and Buddy Morris and Tom Lisinski and James Smith and and Landon Evans and Mark McLaughlin and Val Nasetkin and all these names, Joel Jameson, you know, Bill Gillespie, like I I can name All of these names, when you spend time with them.
you were trying to learn. And what I noticed about those guys, they were just so passionate about bettering themselves, of learning more and finding, you know, different dark spots that no one’s really kind of walked into yet and figuring out what that needs to look like. They weren’t trying to conform, they were trying to challenge themselves and challenge their athletes and and find a different vantage point. Like you said, if I look at an exercise or if I say, hey,
You know, I like to do a a tiered plyo system and McKinnis Watson’s doing it. And then I post a video from Jay Schrader’s videos when he was chain training Adam Archelletta. And I’m like, well, they did this a long time ago. Yeah, well, McKinnon’s Watson has looked at it from a different perspective now because his experiences are unique. And maybe he can apply it across a broader range of of clientele and athletes and he can make it work better. You know, just like if I show an exercise, they may see that exercise. If we talk about a safety squat board box squat with bands.
You know, my whole upbringing was based on powerlifting and how you use that movement. Maybe they’re using it and saying, No, we can apply it like this at this time in this type of strategy at this type of stimulus to get this type of adaptation. Awesome. Let’s do it. Make me better, make it better. Here’s my program. Do what you gotta do with it. Let’s make it to better together. And I think that’s the special thing in our field because we’re all unique. We all have our strengths. win in those strengths, we all have our weaknesses. but it’s in in general, what I find.
is everyone that I talk to is extremely willing and open to try to push that forward. And sometimes it’s okay. Like you’re gonna plant seeds and someone’s gonna take something from you which is never probably yours because we lean on everybody. Like everybody mimics, copy and pastes.
we all have our own menus and we all have our own recipes and we’re all trying to figure those things out and apply them in a way, but we’ve all taken from each other. Some people take without giving credit, and that’s okay. Go plant that seed. You had influence, it’ll help them, it’ll all come back around. Maybe it won’t come back around. it is what it is, right? So I I think that’s what makes this thing special is that we’re curious, we care about what we do, we care about the the athletes that we support.
And that’s why we’re all on the field in the first place. So like having that day one mentality, having that white belt mentality. How can we do day one but better? How can I be me that was at Robert Morris University on the third week of summer training and was scared to death to run a dynamic warmup? That practice a dynamic warmup all night the night before, all morning the next morning for five minutes because I had never done it before. I don’t want to lose that level of importance in what I do. I don’t.
Connor:
Have you have you ever strayed from those pillars of curiosity and creativity? Yeah.
RYAN HORN:
Hundred percent. I mean, I I’ve I’ve
gone through plenty of of times where you know, I I you know, I I’m not afraid to admit that maybe my bitterness and my frustration with things that had happened to me, you start to become what happens to you. you start to feel sorry for yourself. You start to, you know, question, do you belong here? Should you be here? You know, why does this keep happening to me? why am I not someone’s preference? Why is it somebody else’s preference? I’ve done
these things and why am I not being rewarded for those things? Those are human nature. I don’t walk through life like sunshine and rainbows all day long, but I have lost it. And but I also think that’s why it’s important for me to not only express that so someone that is 20 years younger than me can say, Wow, if that person can be that vulnerable and that open and share that that they’re experiencing those things on a day to day basis or maybe, you know, once in a while, whatever it may be, it’s okay for me to feel those two. And I can overcome them.
And there’s people around them are experiencing those same things that gives people the motivation. It’s just like being on Instagram. You watch someone achieve something great. They run a hundred-mile ultra race and you’re like, man, that’s impressive. Man, that’s inspiring. It can be done. I wonder if I could do that. And then you see it and now you can progress it and do it. So I I think that’s why it’s so powerful to be open, but also to be radically authentic in who you are.
Connor:
Yeah, I I truly appreciate it myself, you know, ’cause that’s the best part about doing this podcast, right? Is, you know, it’s I get a weekly reminder and hopefully our listeners do too if they’re tuning in weekly, but just speaking with other coaches and being able to ask the questions as well too. I get to be selfish, right? And so I too feel myself straight from those pillars. You know, just like you said, it’s it’s different things that happen to you in your career or different p situations you’re put in. I think you have a certain response or a different path that you can take with it and it’s about which way you approach it that’ll really define
what the enjoyment level is with your career.
RYAN HORN:
You know, and
and I think that’s okay for and that’s why I try to share. you know, I I think we talked about it in the pre-show, you know, you know, what are some successes you had? I was like, I I spend more time talking about my failures because that’s because that’s what I’ve learned the most from. Because in the end, you know, whether it’s my athletes, whether it’s my family, whether it’s this field and and you know, my colleagues and you know, my fellow coaches, like you’re gonna see me fail and and I’ll talk about it. You know, you’ll see me fail, but you’re not gonna see me quit.
Connor:
Yeah.
RYAN HORN:
you’re not gonna see me like you might see me feel sorry for myself for a little bit, but what you don’t know is I I have things inside of me and I and I have things that I feel like that align with what I wanna do and where I wanna be. And I have a support system and I have people around me, and I have people in my circle that’s become big at times, and then people figure out, well, what can you do for me? Well, I can’t do a lot for you right now because I’m in between jobs and I’m at this place, I’m not as the big a school, and that circle just becomes smaller and smaller and smaller.
but the people that are still in it and it always opens, you know, I am eternally grateful for those people. But like, you know, that’s what I want to talk about. I w I wanna know what people have been through and and what shapes them, you know. When I was younger, I’d go visit people and I’d look at what they I didn’t like. You know, why do they coach like this? Like why do they coach the clean or the squat like this? Nowadays I go visit somebody and say they’ve been in that job for 10 years. How do they get this job? What makes them special? There’s something they do.
Connor:
Mm-hmm.
RYAN HORN:
that makes them elite, that’s allowed them to keep this job, whether it’s relationships or it’s energy, whether it’s, you know, the environment or the way they coach, way they run their staff, their CEO, whatever it is, there’s something that you can learn from that person. Like, let’s do that. Let’s focus on what makes people great. And then let me take that and then apply it to help make myself and our athletes better.
Connor:
Yeah, that’s definitely the tone of this podcast and that’s what we shoot for. So I like not talking about training, right? Because for me that’s where I can get better. You you mentioned white belt, where are you a jiu-jitsu guy?
RYAN HORN:
Yeah.
I am not. I don’t have the knees for it. So I know Greg, yeah, Greg Golden. I have a lot of friends of mine. Yeah. So Greg’s a big, you know, we’ve known each other for forever. We were at VCU together. I got a lot of friends of mine that are in jiu-jitsu, even my time in the tactical space, they were doing it. Unfortunately, I have some unresolved knee issues. I probably need to do it. My son wants to do it. I think when he gets done weightlifting, he wants to do jujitsu. and Greg’s been pushing me to do it. I I think it’s something that it’s a skill. I love skills, you know, like I taught myself.
Connor:
Okay, fair enough. I know he’s a big one, yeah.
RYAN HORN:
Like how to swim and and and you know and doing triathlon and endurance events and different different challenges and skills. Like I really appreciate learning new things. And I think that goes back to that curiosity piece. So it’s not something I’ll say that I will never do, but I haven’t done yet. So like if you know, like I told Greg, if I squared up with Greg, he’d you know he’d probably do what he does and and and that would that would be fine. I’d have to tap out and figure it out. but it’s definitely something that’s interesting. But no, the white bin ment the white belt mentality is just a cliche, it’s not a real
Connor:
Yeah.
RYAN HORN:
Thing.
Connor:
Yeah, I was just curious too, because you mentioned that and then, you know, one of the things that you just said recently too was, you know, you’ll see me fail a lot, but you know you’ll never see me quit. Right. And that’s to me, that’s a lot of the jujitsu mentality too. So I’ll be another coach who pushes you towards it. I th I just just seeing your personality and getting to know you, I think you’d really like it for sure.
RYAN HORN:
Yeah.
Yeah, I don’t know if my
knees will. My meniscus probably are not gonna like it. So I might it you know, it might be something that’s met with full force and we’ll meet it energetically. I I just don’t know if my joints are gonna back me up as long as I need it to. But hey, it’s a gentle art, right? That’s what it means. It’s a gentle art. So yeah, so we’ll you can always tap, you know, so we’ll see how see how it goes. But but yeah.
Connor:
No.
Yeah.
Yeah,
absolutely. Well, Ryan, thank you so much, man. Seriously, I could go all day with this interview. It’s been really great to speak with you and I really appreciate your time. if somebody any of your listeners wanna follow you on social media, what would be the best way to do that?
RYAN HORN:
on X, I’ll say X. so I’m gonna call it Twitter. on Twitter and Instagram. it’s Ryan Horn my name forty-five. so it’s at Ryan Horn forty five. Feel free to follow me there, send a message if you need anything. I do my best to try to reply and and and reach out and and and try to be the person. I you know had a lot of empty phone calls and and messages and we used to send mail back then, not email. you know, I’ve had a lot of those that have gone unanswered and
Connor:
There we go. Yeah, you yeah.
RYAN HORN:
Unrespond. I’m not always perfect, but I do my best to try to do that. So yeah, if you need anything, feel free. I’d love to love to hear from you.
Connor:
Awesome. Well thank you, Ryan, so much. I really appreciate it.
RYAN HORN:
Thank
you so much. Thank you.
